thanks for tuning in. we're live from detroit tonight to mark a historical movement in the civil rights movement. 50 years ago reverend martin luther king jr. unveiled his i have a dream speech. also on this day the murders of three civil rights workers in the case that shocked the nation and came to be known as mississippi burning. i'll talk about it all with my special guest martin luther king iii. we start with tonight's leap. major developments in the george zimmerman second-degree murder trial. from the very last day in court before opening arguments. today the judge made an important ruling on what prosecutors are allowed to say in their opening statement. prosecutors can say the phrases

profiled, vigilante, wannabe cop and they can say mr. zimmerman confronted trayvon martin. the defense hoped to block all those words from being used by the prosecution. we're still waiting for a ruling on what could be the key evidence in this trial. the state's expert analysis of a 911 call made by witness the night that trayvon martin was killed. >> i think they're yelling help but i don't know. >> does he look hurt to you? >> i can't see him. i don't want to go out there. i don't know what's going on. they're sending. >> you think he's yelling help? >> yes. >> what is your phone number? >> there's gunshots. >> the state's expert says those

screams came from trayvon martin. the defense is raising questions about the expert's methodology and says his testimony should not be admitted at the trial opening. statements begin on monday at 9:00 a.m. the jury will decide whether mr. zimmerman is guilty or not guilty in the shooting death of trayvon martin. joining me now is former prosecutor marsha clark and author of "killer ambition." former criminal prosecutor faith jenkins. thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> marsha, let me start with you. what's your reaction to today's ruling that prosecutors can use words like profiled and vigilante in their opening statements? will that have real bearing?

>> it's a ruling that had to happen. there's no way the judge can stop the prosecution what saying what it's theory of the case is. the theory is zimmerman profiled trayvon martin and pursued him because he was black. that's the theory and he took justice into his own hands and he was a vigilante. that's their theory. whether they can prove it or not is another thing. >> mark, your reaction. what does this mean to you in terms of the fact the defense fought to keep it out. the judge put it in. is this a big defeat for the defense or is this something the defense would try to get out and it's no big deal? >> i don't think it's a big deal at all. the major battle was yesterday with the jury selection. the defense won the jury selection battle or war, if you

will overwhelmingly. this kind of stuff, i think, is what was going to be expected. clearly he's a wa nnbe cop. i don't think it's any surprise at all. i think they have to object to protect the record but ultimately after yesterday's resounding victory by the defense in terms of getting this racial make up of the jury all of this is a side show. >> do you agree that the defense won the jury selection? do you think they overwhelmingly as mark said won in terms of jury selection? >> in terms of racial diversity, yes. both sides realize with the underlying issues of racial profiling in this case will be the inference. i think that they realize that

had the african-american jurors on the jury most of them would be particularly outraged that this initial confrontation that all of this case to place because george zimmerman looked at trayvon martin and assumed he was up to no good and assumed he was about to commit a crime based on the way he looked and how he was dressed. the defense wanted to avoid having a lot of african-american jurors. they in a sense won that battle. >> marsha you seem to degree this was a defeat. >> not a complete defeat. i think it's true getting a white jury is a coupe for the defense but that was bound to happen given the neighborhood, where they are, that location. it's very largely a white population. they were bound to have a jury pool that was largely white. you do have women on the jury and women have children and

married. i think that helps the prosecution. i don't think it's a slam dunk but there's some hope that the feeling a mother has for her son will have that feel that will could be my son. there is that possibility. it's not a complete slam dunk for the defense. it's good for them though. >> mark, wouldn't the fact that 12% of the county is african-american, wouldn't you assume that you could -- yes you have a majority white county but you could have had a diversity of some kind on the jury. we're told one of the six is hispanic or african-american. not clear from the prosecution which one that is. i don't know that because the majority of the county is white that that would in many ways satisfy a lot of people that were looking for diverse jury

here. >> i've always said since day one of this case, if you were anywhere else and you shoot and kill somebody, unless you're a cop you get arrested immediately and they ask questions later. here you shoot and kill somebody, they ask question, there's an investigation. a lot later you get a filing in this case and a lot later after that we're now at trial. i've always thought if they tried it in this county there's no way the prosecution wins. this county is a very conservative area. this racial make up, i don't have to tell you the great secret, maybe not so secret criminal justice system is that it's all about race. this case is all about race. it's going to be decided by a jury which frankly is not very diverse in the least. >> isn't this why a lot of

people around the country are looking now saying whether guilty or innocent we don't know but the process is something that smacks some things that are alarming. >> that's why when you heard a lot of the jurors talk about the initial reporting on the case and how they were skeptical about it. those media reports is what led to george zimmerman being arrested. otherwise, this entire ordeal would have fallen under the radar. in addition i want to say about the women being on the jury that does help the prosecution here because the state is going to argue george zimmerman is a parent's worth nightmare. you expect your child to be able to walk to school and they come home okay. you are worried about bullies and people focus on them. that's why i think the prosecution won in terms of

gender. >> that's the interesting thing -- >> we still don't have -- i'll come back to you mark. we still have a ruling on whether the expert will be allowed to testify but we know the tape will be played. we heard the tape. the prosecutor's audio expert said it was able to identify a phrase in the screaming as he described as trayvon martin's loud high pitched distressed and saying i'm begging you. the audio expert says what he refers to as the final cry before the gunshot in trayvon martin's voice. quote, the word appears to be stop. i conclude tentatively that the word was produced by the younger of the two male speakers, trayvon martin. could this testimony that's allowed in hurt zimmerman's

self-defense claim in a very serious way? >> absolutely. i think it thrashes the defense because the jury does believe the expert, first of all, if the expert is allowed to testify, but if that expert is allowed to testify and the jury believe that testimony that's the end of the self-defense for george z zimmerman. that claim goes down the drain. a man begging for his life is not the aggressor as george zimmerman is claiming. >> marsha clark, faith jenkins and mark we'll be back. stay with us. coming up, we're learning more about the jury tonight and how more how a sequestered jury could have an impact on this trial. i love hearing from you. send me your e-mails. reply al is coming. stay with us. change makes people nervous.

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sequestered for the entire trial. today we're learning more about these six women and the six women panel. five of the jurors are married. five are mothers. two have teenager children. how might this play into decision making. what else do we know about their backgrounds and how well sequestration impact on the group dynamic. back with me are marsha clark, faith jenkins and mark. joining me is dr. marshal hennington. marsha, what are your thoughts on the jury that was selected? >> i do believe there are aspects of them that are helpful to the prosecution and there are aspects that are extremely and unquestionably helpful to the defense. the fact that many have guns or

guns in the family is very helpful to the defense. it means they are much less likely to be disproving of zimmerman's possession of a gun that day. the fact the racial make up is in zimmerman's favor. to the degree they are mothers of children. i think that can be helpful to the prosecution. how helpful is the big debate. the fact that most of them are married and live in the community gives them a sense of involvement in the case and an investment in the protection of their community as well. that might tend to favor -- that could go either way. it just depends on the other factors. >> let me ask you, you're a consultant on jurors. what do you see in this? >> marsha brings up great point. the fact that you have primarily a female jury panel. the fact of the matter is we

know that the defense is going to try to switch this around and say in the opening statements that it was mr. martin who was the aggressor. it was mr. martin who didn't follow the instructions. what they're going to show is the photos that mr. zimmerman was victimized, the bruises, the scrapes that he sustained as a result of mr. martin being the aggressor in hurting him and attacking him and therefore he had no other option other than to use the gun and kill this young man. >> mark, if the defense goes with that strategy, wouldn't that make it even more important to the prosecution that this tape in experts come in because this tape and the experts saying that that wassen in fact that was yelling for help would dispel in many ways them being able to use that effectively as

a defense. >> i'm not so sure this judge is going to let that tape come in, number one. i think number two when you get into a battle of the experts here clearly the defense has got the better experts than the prosecution. remember the defense is able to put up fbi experts who say that this is basically junk science. i'm not so sure that the prosecution is going to want to get what they're wishing for here because i think ultimately if it comes in, i think the defense is going to e vis rate them. >> the tape is coming in, mark. i think the expert -- >> the tape will come in. what they're doing is what they call a kelly hearing or fry hearing where they will decide,

the judge is the gate keeper, whether or not the experts come in and opine. the jury can listen to it and make their own decisions. they can try and determine whose voice it is. are you younger or older. that i don't think is going to matter a whole lot because when you get back, i hate to be like a dog with a bone but it's the jury that will decide this and two of those jurors, if you believe the reports yesterday, i wasn't in that courtroom. they were challenged by the prosecution, they were preliminarily excused. the defense then went up to the judge and made what's called a batson collage and said judge, they are excusing these people because of race. the prosecution did not overcome that and the jurors were then reseated. that's one-third of the sitting six jurors. i think that's devastating because the defense does not have to get a unanimous jury.

they hang it and that's as good as a win. i don't see any way possible that the defense loses this case. >> you have one person that was seated that said they think zimmerman may have done something wrong. faith, wouldn't that go either way that if you get a hung jury and i'm not saying you would, wouldn't given the impact of this case the prosecution go forward and try this again. i don't know that would be an outright victory for anybody. >> right. given the nature of this case that is exactly what will happen. we'll see in opening statements and when the judge rules probably today on whether these experts will come in, we'll see how the state will play this. if they put these experts in, the defense will have their own experts but these jurors will hear this tape for themselves. they will hear the screams for themselves and try to make a determination on their own. i still think this tape is so

powerful. it favors in prosecution in their arguments when it's corroborated by this other witness who will come forward and testify saying she was on the phone with trayvon martin at the time. if the jurors believe that young lady and they will probably believe it's trayon very welling on that tape. >> marsha clark don't we have the problem if we're the defense that mr. zimmerman was interviewed by police and they played the tape and the transcript of the interview said he said to police that doesn't sound like me screaming. when they said that's you. he said that doesn't sound like me and never even followed up saying but i was screaming that night. don't we have a problem if we're the defense female wiif we are d with zimmerman. as well as the fact the

screaming stopped after the gunshots went off. >> you have zimmerman's own statement in conflict that it's him. that will be featured by the prosecution. you have and agree with faith here, even if you don't have an expert come in, you'll have the jurors listening and deciding for themselves whether that sounds like trayvon or zimmerman. they will hear zimmerman testify. i don't know how he can sell self-defense. they will hear his voice. don't forget you have somebody on that jury who worked for call center. she's going to assert some level of expertise in listening to and deciphering these calls. this is only a six person jury and they are sequestered. when it comes to talk about a hung jury, the likelihood of that under these circumstances is very slim. sequestered jurors tend to

become a group together and be more like each other as time goes by. it's a short trial so that's less so here but still it happens. then you only have six. it's much easier to convince six beyond a reasonable doubt than 12. >> you think six women will homonogize. i think that's infinitely less likely. >> hold it. members of the jury. i'm the judge on this show. tell me about what effect will that have on the case. >> i agree you may have in the beginning individuals that have different opinions and at some point they may have similar opinions but the fact of the matter is all these individuals that are a part of the jury panel are independent thinkers. the research does not show that in terms of this group think mentality that the outcome is

always conclusive that all think the same way and that all vote the same way. the research doesn't always conclude that. the fookt is that my belief is you have independent thinkers. it doesn't necessarily bode well for either side at this point. the sequestration issue has been something that's iffy. the fact of the matter jurors get information from various sources. don't think just because they are sequestered that they're not going to be able to find out certain things about this case. that's not the case at all. in fact, we know that jurors can be resourceful. a lot of times they don't listen to what the judge instructs them to do. >> i'm going to have to hold it there. thank you for your time this evening. we'll have special korage of the

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50 years ago this weekend the original i have a dream speech. weeks before the march on washington reverend martin luther king jr. came here to detroit for what was then the largest civil rights march in

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>> we will keep moving this country forward but if you want change you have to work for it. joining me now is melissa harry-perry and e.j. dionne. >> glad to be with you. >> the president knows his base doesn't agree with him on everything but he says he needs them. how will the base respond? >> i hope the base responds differently as we move toward the 2014 elections that happened in 2010. we are currently still reaping the world wind from the refusal of so many in the democratic party coalition that elected president obama into 2008 to show up in those 2010 midterms. the impact that had on state houses across the country as well as on the republicans in congress and the ways in which they then were able to gerrymander and redraw the districts is so much of why we

have seen gridlock in washington. we saw the return of that obama coalition in 2012. the issue is whether or not without president obama at the top of the the ticket they will show up at those local races. we learned in the last mid term that's the key. unless the base can give president obama a democratic house representatives and nancy pelosi back as leader in that house it's going to be be tough for this president to enact the agenda they sent him to do in 2012. >> e.j., do you think any on the progressive side are having second thoughts about some of the things that led to a lower turn out in 2010 including some that were very critical of the president and paid for it by helping the father right take the congress? >> i think melissa is right about differential turn out. the turn out in 2010 was so different than the turn out in

2008. the danger she describes is correct. this is a challenging time for the president with progressives. there's a lot of progressives who are unhappy with the nsa surveillance program. there are some that are worried about what we're going to do with syria. keystone pipeline, we saw a tweet that spoke for this. one tweeted i'm not wearing my environmentalist for obama t-shirt to the convention. i think it's perfectly possible for people on the progressive side to disagree with the president on some issues and even find him and still give him critical support on the issues they agree with him on like the proper implementation of health care tax and likeliness to create more jobs. the left was capable of being critical of fdr at times but giving him important support. they did the same with john f. kennedy. i don't think these two thing vs

to be inconsistent. the key thing is not so to demobilize and forget about the next election or assume one disagreement means disagreement on everything. >> melissa, isn't that what a lot of progressives including you and i from time to time have said. when you look at the fact that if you in any way affect turn out next year you will only help the right wing, far right maintain the congress and then looking down the road i don't know that anyone that we're looking at as a perspective democratic candidate in 16 is even as progressive as president obama. you're the professor. help the preacher out. are we really going to say that hillary is going to be more progressive than president obama, so how do progressives say we're with her but we'll

question obama? >> this is the forgetfulness that occurs in these off election years. when you don't have a real villain, a real opponent then what happens is we turn and start gnawing off on our foot. time what an election year gives us the opportunity to recognize and make clear what the distinctions are. one thing that might help as it harms the country in certain ways it's possible that next week as the supreme court starts handing down some of these decisions they don't go with way the progressives are hoping. they may come to remember on the progressive side or we may come to remember just how important a president is because ultimately the greatest legacy is on that federal bempnch from the suprem court down. i appreciate your point about secretary of state clinton and that's just that again the kind of fantasy land that gets

created about any potential candidate is rarely the reality of who that candidate is even in the case of president obama the ways people create things about him that aren't really who he is as a candidate and now president. >> e.j., the fact that if the supreme court comes down with anyone about three major cases that we're waiting on if they come down on anyone of those cases in a way that would certainly ignite a response from progressives, it will also show the importance of congress because in terms of voting rights and terms of a lot of this the only route would be to go back to congress to try to shake other legislation. if you do not have a congress that is even inclined to seriously look at that you're going to have even more of a problem if the supreme court gives you the first major problem. >> that's right.

first of all, if we didn't take the court seriously after bush v gore or citizens united then we've got a problem. the only place to fix whatever damage they might do is the congress. if anybody needed a reminder of some of the dangers out there this agriculture bill that fortunately failed i think immoral food stamp cuts in there should tell us there's some real dangers out there that we need to be ware of and fight against. i think that's something that obama has going for him which is his enemies. when they look at the other side they say we really don't want those folks to take full power. >> there's one other place if anybody is looking for how bad this could be, take a look at what's going on in north

carolina now. art pope has bought himself a state legislature where they are passing laws day by day that are some of the most appalling things. if the progressives need a model, lgbt folks, african-american folks, take a look at north carolina. >> they have to be able to take a look at it this weekend as well as all the way into the summer. thanks. have great weekend. catch melissa harris-perry weekends at 10:00 a.m. eastern on msnbc. still ahead, tv star paulie deen apologizes for using racial slurs and the facebook community has a lot to say. 50 years ago this weekend the original i have a dream speech took place in detroit. i'll talk about it with my special guest. [ female announcer ] doctors trust calcium plus vitamin d

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i'm here in detroit tonight to mark a pivotal movement that took place 50 years ago. dr. martin luther king jr. led some 125,000 people in what has been the largest civil rights demonstration in american history. the great march to freedom, walk to freedom called for an end to segregation no matter the color of their skin. today marks the tragic day of sacrifice in the civil rights movement. it was on this day 49 years ago that three young civil rights workers were brutally murdered in what became known ooze the mississippi burning case.

they were registering black voters when police arrested them on trumped up speeding charges in rural philadelphia, mississippi. they were released from jail straight into the hands of men from the kkk who tortured and murdered them. it was a chase that electrified the country. tv networks cancelled their regular broadcast. >> 100 men are looking for them. the plane fact is whatever secrets lie under the green slime. this is backwoods mississippi. >> the brew tool murders shocked the nation and helped americans understand what was really happening in the south.

joining me is martin luther king iii. i want to start by talking about the three men who gave their lives on this day for the movement. >> i think first of all what it shows america is there were three young men. freedom movement and we should honor always honor three three gentlemen for the sacrifices they lost their lives unnecessarily just in the

struggle for freedom. >> it was interesting, it was a lot don't know that blacks and whites, whites died in the struggle and they were registered voters in philadelphia and mississippi as we wait to here the supreme court ruling there. i don't know what philadelphia, mississippi was known for. that's a very interesting that the first point that you made that ronald reagan announced his candidacy and obviously philadelphia was a very segregated community. today it's much different.

when people cannot vote because of restrictions that have been put in place. i hope and pray the supreme court's decision will not remove section five of the voting rights act. >> your father gave a rousing speech 50 years ago. it's the first time he used the phrase i have a dream. >> i have a dream this afternoon that my four little children, that my four little children will not come up in the same young days that i came with within but they will be judged on the basis of the con tent of their character and not the color of their skin. i have a dream this evening that one day we will recognize the words of jefferson that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with some rights that are life,

liberty and the pursuit of happiness. i have a dream this afternoon. the. >> he also spoke about the meaning of the movement and the march here in detroit. this social revolution taking place can be summarized in three little words. they are not big words. one does not need an extense ifr vocabulary to understand them. we want all of our rights. we want them here and we want them now. >> he made the speech here. he talked about his four little children. you're the oldest remaining child. are we there yet? have we achieved the dream? >> absolutely not. it doesn't mean we've made great progress. i think dad would be on the one hand proud but he'd be very

concerned about the fact that we have nearly 60 million people living in poverty. we sdroedon't have a decent immigration bill. we are having folks strung out on drugs. he could be concerned and say we as a nation can and must do better. we're a better nation than the behavior being exhibited even at this time as it relates to how our congress is acting. >> as your father led the march here and went on into the march on washington and on monday we'll be announcing the anniversary march but as a continuation. he put pressure on congress for a bill that led to 64 civil rights act. what do you hope the gathering among all people of all races in august continuing the march on washington 50 years ago would do in terms of tangible results. >> i hope number one that i know

number one we'll have to repetition congress and after they served their time their rights are not restored to vote. that's taxization without representation. the first thing we have to do is mange sure everyone can participate. then we have to get the right people elected. then we got to petition congress for the issues that we want to see occur whether it's new job training. whether it's policies about sensitive issues. we've got a big challenge ahead. >> we're going to be trying to pleat that challenge. thank you for your time tonight. we'd like to announce that on saturday, august 24th, we'll be in d.c. for the national action to realize the dream 50th march on washington.

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association of free clinics. we know he's turning down medicaid expansion that would bring $15.8 billion over in ten years. den denise, i love your governor. open invitation to you to join us at the clinic. i would be a good thing for you and the state. sandra writes, how do you keep positive when so much injustice happens daily? you've been a leader for so many years. do you ever get tired? i think the key to life is to fulfill a purpose. i believe in what i'm doing. i get bored and tired when i'm not standing up doing the things i believe in and feeling that what we're doing is important. discover your purpose in life and make sure it means to something more than just you. that is why i work with people like martin luther king iii and others who believe in a life to

fight for something that's a higher principle. i'll have to leave on that. have great weekend. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. hardball starts now. >> mitch's pitch. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. the propaganda war for 2014 has begun. the man who wanted to destroy the obama presidency is out there with the first big fire bomb of misinformation. it's about the irs problem. mitch mcconnell who set his heart publicly on limiting president obama to a single term is now declaring that the -- well he's declaring there was a